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finally saw Doctor Who.... all i shall say is, crikey!

Date: 2007-06-18 08:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psych0naut.livejournal.com
You've never seen Doctor Who before?

Date: 2007-06-18 09:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
i mean, saturday's episode, which i missed due to mapping, and forgot to tape.

Date: 2007-06-18 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thatmakesmemad.livejournal.com
you forgot ?!!!!
Bang go your nerd/geek credentials.
Mind you the cover of the Radio Times left limited options as to who was going to pop up in the next episode effectively giving the game away

Date: 2007-06-18 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tankgirlinblack.livejournal.com
I know to avoid the magazine racks this week then.

I dislike the spoilers being on the front page of any magazine. I like to be surprised by a storyline and guest stars (maybe I have more patience than the average Joe).

Date: 2007-06-18 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thatmakesmemad.livejournal.com
it was just the photograph which unless you haven't watched classic who is readily identifiable from signature characteristics

Date: 2007-06-19 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psych0naut.livejournal.com
You still record shows on tape?

Date: 2007-06-19 07:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
"tape" is shorter than "record on my PVR" or even "record"

Date: 2007-06-18 12:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] greeba.livejournal.com
You mean, crikey that was crappily written?

Bringing back The Master is great, but the episode itself was completely pointless unless the next one ties up a few loose ends.

Date: 2007-06-18 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
I'll agree that the Utopia bits turned out (apparently) to be a disappointing throwaway and the absurdity of the year 100 trillion thus presented, but then, the ostensible story's not always the important thing : compare to School Reunion. It brings together several different threads established in season3 - I think they've finally got their act together about how to do a "big bad" in Doctor Who: the attempts in season1 and 2 were rather anticlmatic. And, hey, not much worthwhile happens in episode 1 of Logopolis, either! ;)

Date: 2007-06-18 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qfyd.livejournal.com
I've already stated that I think they may have left Utopia for a future episode.

I also mentioned in an earlier post exactly what you just said, this season has properly built towards this, explaining the science, weaving in a character with a proper chronological basis.

Whereas the last 2 seasons just dropped in a word arbitrarily here and there.

Date: 2007-06-18 05:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tankgirlinblack.livejournal.com
I got the feeling it was going to be a 3 part season finale, so 1 just to set it up seems ok (though I can't believe I didn't see it coming, in the Face of Bo episode I got there was going to probably be a season finale with another 'doctor', and that he was going to have to be a baddy, but didn't see the Master until they made it blatently obvious - DOH!).

I'm quite looking forward to them running a story for longer than to episodes, I just hope they can make it work.

Why get rid of Derick Jacobi though? I was just getting into wanting to see him be a baddy and they got rid of him. Pah!

Date: 2007-06-18 06:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] qfyd.livejournal.com
If you take a look at the timelords of the 60s to the 80s, all of them had a varying degree of being an old codger. The doctor, regardless of the actor's age, would always have an aspect of the 'grandfather' about him.

if you look at the NEW doctors, Eccleston and Tennant, they've all been young, dynamic, and ever so slightly manic.

It only makes sense that they'd take the master the same direction.

Date: 2007-06-18 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tankgirlinblack.livejournal.com
I liked Eccleston, he was manic (not that I think that has anything to do with them being young), but it's taken me a long time to warm to Tennant because I felt he was chosen because he was 'pretty'. Not that I have a problem with pretty people, just I feel there is a bit of a media-sexing-up + R T Davis liking of pretty men = lacking of older more 'characterful' leads.

Personally I like my 'doctors' manic, but I also like to get the feeling they are alien. The slightly cracked bits of personality seem just harder to convincingly portray if you're a young pretty actor.

I felt getting rid of Jacobi was purely to get a younger, prettier face for the finale. I'm not saying he can't act, just that it seemed needless given that they already had a good actor there.


All that said. I loved the episode, and this series. It had a creaky start, but the last few stories have sucked me in (I couldn't close my eyes to go to sleep after last weeks). I am very much looking forward to next weeks.

Date: 2007-06-18 07:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
Except that Peter Davison was 30 when he took the role... David Tennant was 5 years older than that! (Peter's relative youth means that he is one of the two old Doctors you should expect to see back if they start doing multi-Doctor stories - him and McCoy. Both the Bakers are too visibly aged).

Date: 2007-06-18 07:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
Interestingly, although fandom knew about the Master/Simm thing for ages, and the Sun had got the ending of Utopia fairly close months ago, it was nontheless totally surprised by this being a 3 parter - it was kept very quiet, let slip only the day before. Makes me wonder what sort of other big reveals are coming that haven't been leaked yet.

Date: 2007-06-18 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
Having just re-watched it, it feels like they are tying together 3 years worth of show. Time war, the Cardiff rift, Rose and the time vortex, Torchwood, Jack's immortality, the Chameleon arches, all brought together in one story.

Writers have been very careful to establish bits of the mythology gradually, before then using them.

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