morwen: (Default)
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A prize to anyone who can spot the mistake (or possibly simply an innovative stylistic decision) here? Tsk. Google Maps data quality is pretty poor, but this.... Tsk.

Date: 2009-04-28 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
The way they've named Wales in something that looks more Gaelic than Welsh?

Date: 2009-04-28 09:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] st-lemur.livejournal.com
Could be Irish, could be Scots...

Date: 2009-04-28 10:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] khalinche.livejournal.com
That's what I thought too, but it's not correct Scots Gaelic because words beginning with 'b' take the definite article 'am' not 'an', and 'Bhreatain' is a word I haven't come across. I also haven't heard of Wales being referred to as 'Little Britain', but that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Anyway, it doesn't look like Welsh, does it?

Date: 2009-04-28 10:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
Google suggests it's Irish.

Date: 2009-04-28 10:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pseudomonas.livejournal.com
er, that is, a google search, not google maps...

Date: 2009-04-28 09:57 am (UTC)
ext_3375: Banded Tussock (Default)
From: [identity profile] hairyears.livejournal.com
In summary:
  1. If the label on the Welsh side of the border is in Welsh Gaelic, why aren't the other place names Gealicised?
  2. If the label was correct, in Welsh Gaelic, it would say Cymru;
  3. An Bhreatain Bheag is Irish Gaelic for 'Little Britain'.
What makes me think that Google has an office in Dublin?
Edited Date: 2009-04-28 09:57 am (UTC)

Date: 2009-04-28 10:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
There is no such thing as 'Welsh Gaelic', Welsh is an entirely different language which is a member of the Brythonic rather than Goidelic family.

Date: 2009-04-28 10:05 am (UTC)
nwhyte: (shocked and surprised)
From: [personal profile] nwhyte
That's extraordinary!!!!! Presumably this is infiltration from the fact that Google's European offices are in Dublin?

Date: 2009-04-28 10:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
Possibly, but then why is it affecting only Wales? I think someone has actually confused Welsh and Irish at their end.

Date: 2009-04-28 10:19 am (UTC)
nwhyte: (macedonia)
From: [personal profile] nwhyte
I'm sure that's the problem. I've caught them out on this kind of thing before - they used to show Skopje with the Serbian spelling Скопље rather than the locally correct Macedonian Скопје. They've changed it now.

Date: 2009-04-28 10:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] annie-lyne.livejournal.com
I was going to say that the shared rail/road bridge is messed up, but think am wrong...

Date: 2009-04-28 10:13 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
From what I did at openstreetmap, turns out it's really quite hard to get that sort of thing right automatically. Paper maps have people manually exaggerating the distance or size between features so that the angles and curves still end up right, it essentially ends up an artistic decision, although with a good dollop of practical constraints. But anyhow, that's not a fault in the data...

Date: 2009-04-28 10:11 am (UTC)
ext_119234: (Thoughtful)
From: [identity profile] katsmeat.livejournal.com
I spotted a subtle Google bug a few days ago.

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q135/katsmeat/Picture1-18.png

Date: 2009-04-28 07:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pplfichi.livejournal.com
But that's what it really looks like!

Date: 2009-04-28 12:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thatmakesmemad.livejournal.com
An Irish employee having a laugh.
If that's a current map then Google maps have been laughing since December 1st since that's when it was reported by the BBC.
I assume the EU have managed to put wales back on that map in Brussels or Strasbourg.

Date: 2009-04-28 12:37 pm (UTC)
vampwillow: (Default)
From: [personal profile] vampwillow
what happened to the railway line? it is truly *underneath* the main road - and anyway it should still be shown imho

Date: 2009-04-28 12:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
That's not it. I can forgive that. The road is being drawn much larger width than it actually is, so the railway line needs to move to compensate. This is Hard to do automatically.

Their railway data is pretty poor anyway - I think the weirdest railway error (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Bow,+London&sll=51.500152,-0.126236&sspn=0.600984,1.783905&ie=UTF8&ll=51.539182,-0.029569&spn=0.009382,0.027874&z=16) I've spotted is by Victoria Park where it still shows the line from the NLL west of Hackney Wick to Bow (south of which the alignment is now used by the DLR). This section has been closed for, well, longer than Google have existed. Maybe even longer than computerised mapping has existed.

Date: 2009-04-28 03:14 pm (UTC)
fluffymark: (worldwrong)
From: [personal profile] fluffymark
Of course, the railways are a huge mess around Stratford station. You can forgive them for not showing recent changes there as it's been in constant change for years, what with Stratford international, new DLR lines and the new Overground platforms.

However, at Temple Mills" they appear show the line from Stratford to Tottenham Hale being connected to the Central Line of all things. As far as I know the Central line became a tunnel there back in 1947, and while the lines are close, they've not been connected for decades.

Date: 2009-04-28 03:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
Your linky seems to link to the same thing my link does.

It appears to be based on looking at old maps and aerial photographs without consulting any modern railway sources at all.

Date: 2009-04-28 03:18 pm (UTC)
fluffymark: (Default)
From: [personal profile] fluffymark
You relied before I could edit it - copy and paste fail - you want to go here

Date: 2009-04-28 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
Ah. Yeah. That connection must have gone immediately, when the Central line was extended to take over the LNER line to Ongar, I can't imagining it persisting beyond then.

Date: 2009-04-28 03:36 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-04-28 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psych0naut.livejournal.com
It's not unheard of for railway lines to be underneath roads. Happens all the time in London, for example.

Date: 2009-04-28 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
The Brompton and Piccadilly Circus Railway goes largely under roads in central London, as does the Central London Railway, and of course the Metropolitan and Metropolitan District Railways.

Date: 2009-04-28 01:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] psych0naut.livejournal.com
Perhaps the map depicts an area of Wales where, remarkably, the majority of the population speak Irish…?

Date: 2009-04-28 01:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
I can see the headline now: "Monmouthshire, unable to resolve county of Wales/county of England dispute, joins Ireland."

Date: 2009-04-28 04:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ioannab.livejournal.com
As an aside, does Stamfordshire have it's own language?

Date: 2009-04-28 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] abigailb.livejournal.com
Yes, Stamrian! And the government of London are guilty of genocide for refusing to fund the development of it.

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